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Title: Doom 4
Post by: DavoX on May 08, 2008, 06:07:32 AM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS I WANT THIS MORE THAN DNF NOW!!!

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52560


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Cody on May 08, 2008, 06:18:31 AM
id Tech 5 engine aye.... Could be interesting. Well. I laugh at you for still thinking DNF is coming out.  ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0H75Aq8ncc


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 08, 2008, 08:04:31 AM
Doom4 is going to kick ass. Hopefully it'll be based in a city so there is a huge demon which throws buildings at you ^_^


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 08, 2008, 08:28:13 AM
Could this actually be THE thread where I get along with Weebl and Commander?  ^_^

Yes I hope there's some demolition or something, but that doesn't seem to be the style of id, unfortunately.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Cody on May 08, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
Could this actually be THE thread where I get along with Weebl and Commander?  ^_^

Yes I hope there's some demolition or something, but that doesn't seem to be the style of id, unfortunately.

Well... I did like Quake 4 over Doom 3 so maybe there Weebl's hope might be furfilled with a Quake 5 because thats more big open enviroment style.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 08, 2008, 09:20:20 AM
I actually enjoyed quake 4 over doom 3 as well. They may run off the same engine but quake had more... action?


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 08, 2008, 09:36:54 AM
Quake4 Seemed more story driven than the other titles while maintaining on the same formula of run-shoot, I enjoyed it as well, mostly after the first half.  I think Doom 4 will have more open spaces, mostly because of id Tech 5. Hopefully the editor will be more user friendly than the Doom 3 editor.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Cody on May 08, 2008, 10:05:28 AM
Bloody hell, I tried that Doom 3 editor. (inbuilt one) ouch... The Quake 4 version was a little bit better but not by much.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Telee on May 08, 2008, 10:51:26 AM
Not terribly excited but I'll keep my eye on it.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 08, 2008, 11:39:45 AM
Bloody hell, I tried that Doom 3 editor. (inbuilt one) ouch... The Quake 4 version was a little bit better but not by much.

Once you get the hang of it it's not bad but it's still not that great when you have editors for half-life 2 and even warcraft 3.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: blizzart on May 08, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
Or even Far Cry.
Sandbox was one of the best editors Ive seen so far.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 08, 2008, 01:36:08 PM
Exacly. It goes to show that ID isn't so generous when it comes to the mod community.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Geoffrey on May 08, 2008, 02:20:45 PM
Doom4 -- so? Doom3 was nice and all but just another FPS. Or as someone on 3dr put it: doom3 was fun, it just wasn't doom fun.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 08, 2008, 03:00:47 PM
The original Doom games were fun where you can real fast and that wide open areas as well as everything was simple. Doom 3 is basically the oppisite.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 08, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
Sorry for being a doomsday thinker here (no pun intended), but -

Like I said in the 3DR thread, iD Software is almost as bad as Nintendo when it comes to retreading old grounds. Almost because - Nintendo seems to have like 200 games of the same franchise on every console.. iD Software only has a small number of franchises (I dunno.. like.. 3 or something? Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein?) but they keep on making sequels for them into infinity.

I mean, Doom is about a marine shooting demons. We get it. Doom and it's successors were great games by all means, even Doom 3 was okay in it's own right. But isn't it time for iD to stop running the Doom franchise into the ground and move on?

Sometime ago they announced this new game called Rage and I was genuinely proud of them - it seemed that FINALLY they'd use their brains to think about new things they could do but now it seems that has kinda been run into the ground. Perhaps they could introduce new elements into Doom 4 but seeing how everyone is expecting it to be a return to form (you know, the whole 90's run-and-gun thing) I doubt complicated new elements would be much appreciated.
RTCW2 is also in production and I wouldn't be surprised if there were plans for Quake 5. And after that we'd get Doom 5, RTCW3, Quake 6, Rage 2, Doom 6, RTCW4, Quake 7, Rage 3, etc... ;)

I don't know much about Rage but I expect it to be a somewhat interesting game, however I can't say the same for Doom 4 at all. I honestly don't understand what people are excited about. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.


oh and before i forget: IMO


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 08, 2008, 11:34:11 PM
I couldn't care less the title of the game.

Also they are working on other stuff, if you don't like the milking then concentrate your hype on the other titles and leave doom 4 alone.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 08, 2008, 11:58:24 PM
if you don't like the milking then concentrate your hype on the other titles and leave doom 4 alone.

Now you just sound like some whiny religious guy when his religion is being critisized (sp?). Can't I voice my opinion on this just because it's not "Omg DOOM4 WILL ROX"?

I never said anywhere that I'm already hating Doom 4 - I just have a rather "meh" feeling about the whole thing.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: MSandt on May 09, 2008, 12:06:27 AM
But isn't it time for iD to stop running the Doom franchise into the ground and move on?

Why? ID is Doom/Quake. Let others come up with different things, the kind of things they're best at, and leave ID developing good shoot 'em ups & game engines.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 09, 2008, 12:11:29 AM
Why?

Because after them doing the same thing for like 10 years I feel it has gotten a bit lame to keep on using the same franchise. Let's think back of the days before they started doing that when they actually came up with original games that were pretty damn fun. Think of Commander Keen or Dangerous Dave.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: MSandt on May 09, 2008, 12:18:28 AM
Doom & Quake > Commander Keen.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 09, 2008, 12:20:45 AM
My opinion on this matter > yours ;)


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: MSandt on May 09, 2008, 12:34:52 AM
My toenail > Your existence.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 10, 2008, 05:35:29 AM
Someone was bound to kill the thread.
Doom4 is what ID will make of it. They did a grand job of Doom 3 after what, 10 years since they made the last doom? They arn't going to change their company title to 'Quake of Doom'. They will do a better job than most companies considering they have been working on it longer than anyone else just as you said Sang.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 10, 2008, 05:41:43 AM
Looking Glass was a pretty new company when they made System Shock 2 but I'd say it's an infinitely better game than Doom 3 is. So really, how long one has been in the business is not relevant to anything.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 10, 2008, 05:58:52 AM
Doom4 is what ID will make of it.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: James on May 10, 2008, 06:03:40 AM
Doom is Doom and I'll play the shit out of it when it's done, assuming I can run it :3


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 10, 2008, 06:04:40 AM
Doom4 is what ID will make of it.

but i guess you refused to factor in that doom four could in fact be a crappy game yes thats actually possible


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 10, 2008, 06:45:05 AM
but i guess you refused to factor in that doom four could in fact be a crappy game yes thats actually possible
Doom is Doom and I'll play the shit out of it when it's done, assuming I can run it :3

What James said


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 10, 2008, 08:04:49 AM
I'll just play it because it's doom.

The same thing with dnf, i'll play it because it's duke. Even though I didn't give a shit about the PSX versions.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: William Gee on May 10, 2008, 08:17:54 AM
I just hope this one is more scary.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Trooper Dan on May 10, 2008, 01:08:09 PM
I just hope this one is more scary.

The 8-bit Doom games weren't scary at all, but they were great, so I'm not sure that being scary is all that important.

But if they are going for scary, I think the trick is that it needs to be more reality based.  Half-Life was scary in parts because it started in a normal, sane environment and then it went hellishly wrong.  From what I remember of the Doom 3 demo (never played the full game), the place they start you at is already gloomy and it feels like you are being set up for a slaughter all the time, so it loses its impact.  I don't see how a game can succeed at being scary if it tries to frighten you all the time.  After a while you just get used to it.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: James on May 10, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Quote
but i guess you refused to factor in that doom four could in fact be a crappy game yes thats actually possible
iD don't make crappy games at all. Not to say that Doom 3 was a masterpeice, it had flaws but it was not crappy. Their games are always polished to near perfection.

In anycase I didn't find Doom 3 scary since I was a bad-ass spacemarine armed with enough ordinance to level half of the base, or at least whatever's trying to kill me. If they want to make Doom 4 scarier than Doom 3, than they need to make the player more vulnerible.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 10, 2008, 06:07:36 PM
Quote
but i guess you refused to factor in that doom four could in fact be a crappy game yes thats actually possible
iD don't make crappy games at all. Not to say that Doom 3 was a masterpeice, it had flaws but it was not crappy. Their games are always polished to near perfection.

In anycase I didn't find Doom 3 scary since I was a bad-ass spacemarine armed with enough ordinance to level half of the base, or at least whatever's trying to kill me. If they want to make Doom 4 scarier than Doom 3, than they need to make the player more vulnerible.

They need to have monsters that arn't so easy to kill such as Imps. They need to make a monster that can walk through walls or something so that it's impossibly to see when they are coming, even by sound it should be impossibly to tell when they are coming so it's scarier than wondering where a sound is coming from.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 10, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
The focus shouldn't be so much on making it scary as it should be on making it playable. Monsters coming through walls unexpectedly, killing you quickly? Say hello to frustration galore. The first couple of times it might be scary but after that it'd just become annoying.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on May 10, 2008, 06:18:05 PM
Of course the game should be playable. Games like C&C3 are impossible for me to play because everything is too detailed and too hard to see what it is let alone click on it. Doom 4 should be all about the game play, then comes graphics, then change a tonne around to make it scary.
I don't mean having things barge through the wall at super high speeds ripping your body to pieces then pissing on your body. I'm talking about when you first opened up the portal to hell in doom3 you had those waves going through the walls turning people to zombies. Possibly have something like that but more deadly.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: MSandt on May 10, 2008, 09:39:46 PM
I don't see how a game can succeed at being scary if it tries to frighten you all the time.  After a while you just get used to it.

This was not the case with Doom 3. Mostly it was scary just because of level design. At times you'd come to a room and think "I don't want to go there".


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 10, 2008, 10:46:04 PM
Monsters coming through walls unexpectedly, killing you quickly? Say hello to frustration galore.

Never happened to me.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 10, 2008, 11:23:59 PM
I know, that's what potentially COULD happen if we follow Weebl's idea (well, in his original post that is, he explained it better after that)


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: HighWire on May 11, 2008, 03:16:09 AM
I still can't believe that everyone thinks Doom 3 was a flawed game. Maybe I am not much of a elite gamer or something, but I loved it from the beginning until the end.  :huh:


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 11, 2008, 03:27:13 AM
It's the "jump on the bandwagon" syndrome.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: HighWire on May 11, 2008, 03:32:26 AM
It's the "jump on the bandwagon" syndrome.

Nah, most people here are intelligent enough to make their own opinion (I hope), and I'm not going to judge it as metoo-ism.

But the bandwagon-theory definately applies to the "OMG, DOOM3 FLASHLIGHT LOLOLO SUXXXX" 13-yearolds.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 11, 2008, 03:34:30 AM
It's the "jump on the bandwagon" syndrome.

No not really but try again

Not too long ago I hadn't played Doom 3 in over 2 years, then I started replaying and I didn't even finish it. I got genuinely bored of the game.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Telee on May 11, 2008, 05:07:59 AM
It's the "jump on the bandwagon" syndrome.

It's called a fucking opinion, learn to respect it.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: James on May 11, 2008, 05:57:49 AM
uh oh! Don't get too touchy about it, alot of hate for Doom3 was bandwagon jumping. It was a good, solid game. I prefer HL2 by a large margin, but D3 was great in it's own way.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Telee on May 11, 2008, 08:02:22 AM
And I agree that it was a fun game, but only just above average if you ask me. Not everyone jumped the bandwagon with it, many just didn't like it because of its linear gameplay, cheap scares, poor SFX and repetitive length.

I'm not ecstatic about the news (pleased, yes) but I shouldn't be told to piss off because of that.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 11, 2008, 10:38:24 AM
I'm not ecstatic about the news (pleased, yes) but I shouldn't be told to piss off because of that.

Exactly, that's why no one told you to piss off.

I'm just saying that when Doom 3 came out, the HOT thing to do was bash it. This is why I never read reviews or anything, what others hate I might just love.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Geoffrey on May 11, 2008, 02:06:52 PM
I'm not ecstatic about the news (pleased, yes) but I shouldn't be told to piss off because of that.

Exactly, that's why no one told you to piss off.

Naw, you just discarded his opinion as if it was nothing important. Which is roughly the same as telling someone to take a hike.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on May 11, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
I'm not ecstatic about the news (pleased, yes) but I shouldn't be told to piss off because of that.

Exactly, that's why no one told you to piss off.

I'm just saying that when Doom 3 came out, the HOT thing to do was bash it. This is why I never read reviews or anything, what others hate I might just love.

Thankfully most people at AMC seem to be capable of thinking for themselves so I doubt anyone who bashed Doom 3 here did it just to be cool.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on May 12, 2008, 02:31:41 AM
I'm not ecstatic about the news (pleased, yes) but I shouldn't be told to piss off because of that.

Exactly, that's why no one told you to piss off.

Naw, you just discarded his opinion as if it was nothing important. Which is roughly the same as telling someone to take a hike.

Please quote me on when I said to him to take a hike or that his opinion didn't matter because HE WASN'T ECSTATIC ABOUT THE NEWS.

Exactly, never said anything to him about that. I'm talking about people not liking doom3, not people not being excited about doom4. Two separate things. Which mean no one told him to piss off because he wasn't excited about doom4.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on June 10, 2008, 03:44:31 AM
Doom 4 screenshot.

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV2WUYTr


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on June 10, 2008, 03:48:18 AM
What's so Doom about this? I'll need better shots.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Fernito on June 10, 2008, 03:52:33 AM
Doom 4 screenshot.

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV2WUYTr

That was impressive :o


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: MusicallyInspired on June 10, 2008, 04:04:07 AM
That's an old screenshot. I don't think it looks very "Doom" either. Just more trademark id Software human-cyborg rubbish...


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: moggimus on June 10, 2008, 05:26:59 AM
I like what I see.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Trooper Dan on June 10, 2008, 07:02:45 AM
If you were going to graft all that expensive hardware onto a human torso, wouldn't you start with someone more muscular?  Right now it looks like a poorly conceived medical prototype.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: DavoX on June 10, 2008, 09:27:56 AM
It's a fake after all :(:(:(:(


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Telee on June 10, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
A fake that's years old :)


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Weebl on June 10, 2008, 01:25:49 PM
Would be more than likely a quake 4 monster than a Doom 4. Rather interesting though :D


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: Sang on June 10, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
If you were going to graft all that expensive hardware onto a human torso, wouldn't you start with someone more muscular?  Right now it looks like a poorly conceived medical prototype.

Good point. Let's make a cyborg out of Davox.


Title: Re: DOOM 4 FUCKERS
Post by: William Gee on June 11, 2008, 03:11:36 AM
CYBOX!