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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2009, 12:08:11 AM »
Video showing how Hamas uses mosques as military installations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zd55Zhj5gQ&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/&feature=player_embedded

This is the main reason why the IDF sometimes strikes mosques and other "non-military" targets.  Hamas uses them to launch attacks, knowing full well that when the IDF returns fire, Hamas allies in the news media will report that Israel is hitting civilian targets.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2009, 12:13:51 AM »
I'm taking this with a grain of salt - I've read that news reporters are mostly not allowed inside the Gaza strip. That must mean this video was taken by the military or a reporter that had a "special permit" to be inside, so it's well possible that this is just some propaganda.

Even if it were true, is bombing the shit out of everything really the best way to deal with this? Bit of a delicate issue. To be honest I don't think there's any fully "right" way of dealing with Hamas.. Bombing stuff will cause civilian casualties, doing a more precise ground offensive without airstrikes will make for a lot of military casualties.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2009, 12:25:42 AM »
I'm taking this with a grain of salt - I've read that news reporters are mostly not allowed inside the Gaza strip.

For a good reason. In general news reporters are Hamas supporters whose first source of information is, well, Hamas. Since international pressure is a key strategic advantage of Hamas Israel has a legitimate reason not to allow reporters enter the strip.

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That must mean this video was taken by the military or a reporter that had a "special permit" to be inside, so it's well possible that this is just some propaganda.

Unlike Hamas and their supporters Israel is a civilized democracy with a smaller ability to spit out propaganda.

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Even if it were true, is bombing the shit out of everything really the best way to deal with this?

How would the alternative of not bombing the shit out of bad guys be a better way?
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2009, 12:27:27 AM »
Even if it were true, is bombing the shit out of everything really the best way to deal with this?

No your right, the best way to deal with it would be to nuke the whole fucking place to the ground so there is nothing left at all. Would be best in the long run.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2009, 12:34:38 AM »
Even if it were true, is bombing the shit out of everything really the best way to deal with this?

No your right, the best way to deal with it would be to nuke the whole fucking place to the ground so there is nothing left at all. Would be best in the long run.


Sadly, that may be true.  However, the IDF is certainly not "bombing the shit out of everything".  They take great pains to avoid civilian casualties.  But it is hard to do so when their enemies are intentionally using human shields and trying to maximize civilian casualties for the benefit of gullible foreigners like Sang.

Other things being equal, of course it would be better to have independent corroboration rather than relying on the IDF's videos for information.  But we have plenty of independent corroboration of Hamas' activities, not to mention a long track record over the years of the behavior of all parties involved.  So to come in at this point and declare skepticism because the information is coming from the IDF may seem like a reasonable move, but in fact it only seems reasonable if you are ignorant.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2009, 12:50:26 AM »
But it is hard to do so when their enemies are intentionally using human shields and trying to maximize civilian casualties for the benefit of gullible foreigners like Sang.

But what about the incidents where the Israelian Army has allowed people to take refuge in some place only to bomb that same place later? Or is this, too, just some Hamas-propaganda?
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2009, 01:24:29 AM »
But it is hard to do so when their enemies are intentionally using human shields and trying to maximize civilian casualties for the benefit of gullible foreigners like Sang.

But what about the incidents where the Israelian Army has allowed people to take refuge in some place only to bomb that same place later? Or is this, too, just some Hamas-propaganda?

You need to provide links to the incidents you're talking about, because I'm not sure what you are referring to.

But before even getting to that, let's just think about this rationally for a minute.  It doesn't make any sense for Israel to intentionally target civilians.  Civilian deaths increase public pressure against Israel and make it harder for them to complete their objectives.  They are already under enormous pressure from world governments as it is.  Israel depends on support from the U.S. and on its trade with Europe, so it's definitely not in its interests to do anything to sour those relationships.  On the other hand, when Hamas targets Israeli civilians with their rockets or uses Palestinians as human shields, few people criticize them for it (notice that few people outside of Israel seemed to mind about the civilians being intentionally killed by Hamas rockets for the last few years).  In fact, Hamas is rewarded for using human shields rather than condemned.  Given this dynamic, it is totally implausible that Israel would bomb a building that they had designated as a safe area unless it was an accident or they had a very good reason (e.g. the building had subsequently been infiltrated by terrorists and was being used to launch attacks).
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2009, 01:51:06 AM »
You need to provide links to the incidents you're talking about

Can't seem to be able to find where I read that - I think it was in a newspaper again but I don't have it anymore (and I can't find the article on their site either).

Anyway yeah I guess that makes sense.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2009, 10:05:50 AM »
This is a brilliant post from the Powerline forum by John Hinderaker.  The basic point of it being that Obama's policies regarding torture and interrogation will not really be any different from Bush's.

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Barack Obama preens, and garners this sort of headline: "Sources: Obama ready to ban harsh interrogations":

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President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to prohibit the use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques by ordering the CIA to follow military rules for questioning prisoners, according to two U.S. officials familiar with drafts of the plans.

Of course, there is one very big catch:

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However, Obama's changes may not be absolute. His advisers are considering adding a classified loophole to the rules that could allow the CIA to use some interrogation methods not specifically authorized by the Pentagon, the officials said. ...

For Obama, who repeatedly insisted during the 2008 presidential campaign and the transition period that "America doesn't torture," a classified loophole would allow him to follow through on his promise to end harsh interrogations while retaining a full range of presidential options in conducting the war against terrorism.

The proposed loophole, which could come in the form of a classified annex to the manual, is designed to satisfy intelligence experts who fear that an outright ban of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques would limit the government in obtaining threat information that could save American lives. It would also preserve Obama's flexibility to authorize any interrogation tactics he might deem necessary for national security.

Now, that's "change you can believe in!" Obama's hypocrisy on this issue is identical to John McCain's. McCain denounced the Bush administration for "torturing" detainees. I disagree. I don't think waterboarding is torture; on the contrary, I think it is the ideal way to interrogate terrorists because it is quick and effective and because it does not actually harm them. I see it as a humane alternative to much worse techniques. But that's not the point, at the moment.

When McCain was asked what he would do in the "ticking time bomb" situation, where we have in our custody a terrorist with knowledge of plots in progress that may kill Americans, his response was that in that case, he would expect the President to do whatever was necessary. That is exactly the position Obama is now taking: we won't torture detainees. Unless, of course, we need to!

All of this might make some kind of sense if you assume that the Bush administration had a nasty habit of hauling terrorists (or Democrats, maybe) off the street for no particular reason, and waterboarding them. In fact, though, a total of three top-ranking al Qaeda terrorists were waterboarded, in the period shortly after September 11 when there was good reason to believe that they had knowledge of plots that were still active. This was exactly the "ticking time bomb" scenario where McCain has explicitly admitted, and Obama now implicitly agrees, "torture," or harsh interrogation tactics anyway, may be necessary.

In short, Obama's posturing is meaningless and politically motivated. His policy will not be any different from President Bush's; he is just trying to score cheap political points. Obama is no dummy, and is acutely aware of the Bush administration's extraordinary record of keeping us safe from terrorist attacks over the last seven years. He knows that his approval rating will sink like a stone if he exposes Americans to mass murder because of a foolish consideration for the comfort of terrorists. If and when the time comes, he will act exactly as George Bush did.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2009, 12:47:58 PM »
Damn, I should have made this thread earlier, its got off to a great start.  (y)

It doesnt happen often here in New Zealand but tourists will get targeted here, but this happing in the very lower part of the South Island is very unusual.

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Man charged with rape and robbery appears in court

A 25-year-old Tuatapere man will be in court today (Saturday) charged with the rape and robbery of a young Dutch couple in Southland.

He allegedly broke into their station wagon while they were sleeping at the Five Mountains Holiday Park in Tuatapere on Thursday morning.

The masked man allegedly raped the 22-year-old woman while holding a knife to the 25 year-old man, and then fled with a large amount of cash.
Detective Senior Sergeant David Nelson says, the victims of the attack have been overwhelmed by the support they have received from locals, and plan to continue their holiday around New Zealand.
 
Southland Times reported that a woman handed her son in when she recognised her own filleting knife and tea towel on the Southland Times website.
 
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Apparently it was the attackers mother that dobed him into the police as well, after seeing her knife and the cloth used in the attack on tv. Which I say good on her, because we don't need that sorta crap happening here.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2009, 07:32:17 PM »
"The masked man allegedly raped the 22-year-old woman while holding a knife to the 25 year-old man"

This means that the man actually saw his woman get raped right before him? Holy shit :(

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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2009, 08:33:18 PM »
"The masked man allegedly raped the 22-year-old woman while holding a knife to the 25 year-old man"

This means that the man actually saw his woman get raped right before him? Holy shit :(

Yeah, There are a few fucked up people in NZ.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2009, 11:24:26 PM »
"The masked man allegedly raped the 22-year-old woman while holding a knife to the 25 year-old man"

This means that the man actually saw his woman get raped right before him? Holy shit :(



I guess I'm getting jaded in my old age.  I've read about atrocities so much worse than that, it didn't even bother me.  The thing that struck me was the logistics of it.  I mean, how do you rape a woman while simultaneously holding a knife to a man's throat?  And how does this happen with no one having an opportunity to fight back during the whole time?
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2009, 11:26:15 PM »
Well (and I think I might have mentioned this before?) for some reason sexual abuse gets to me. I even hate it when it's the "backstory" in a porn flick ;)

Perhaps the man was just too freaked out to be really able to resist.. Doesn't sound that plausible but maybe there are some really really really chickenshit dudes in there. Maybe he just froze up entirely making the job of the rapist a lot easier.
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Re: News From Around The World
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2009, 11:28:44 PM »
Well (and I think I might have mentioned this before?) for some reason sexual abuse gets to me. I even hate it when it's the "backstory" in a porn flick ;)

Perhaps the man was just too freaked out to be really able to resist.. Doesn't sound that plausible but maybe there are some really really really chickenshit dudes in there. Maybe he just froze up entirely making the job of the rapist a lot easier.

It gets to me, too.  But I've read about FAR WORSE things than that happening, so I put it in perspective.  That's all I was saying.
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