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[James]

well because I'm not a basement dweller so...problem solved!

[Sang]

Now I have to wonder how many people who otherwise fit to the typical nerd image actually live in a basement.

Actually how many people have a basement anyway? All I have is a pretty small cellar.

[James]

basements are primarily an american thing I think...but the term is more aimed towards people who live with their parents more than anything else I think. I don't thankfully.

[HighWire]

The idea of a basement dweller is the type of guy who prefers to spend 24/7 in his room without making any progression in life.

I don't really see what's wrong with living with your parents a while longer though. As long as you're having an active social life and a decent job with growth possibilities or an education then it's alright with me. I'm 21 and I'm still 'sticking around' for a bit longer; I just want to build some neat cash reserves and finish my education.

It's also either that or pay 300 euros a month (if you're lucky) for a shitty room in a filthy house you share with other people who don't bother to clean shit up = work your ass off / let your education suffer / lose shitloads of cash for extra year of education or complete failure

One of my colleagues is 27 and just now he's moving out; 27 is a bit late for my likings I think, but at least he has made enough cash reserves to get a mortgage and buy a really nice house. There are not a lot of people out there who do that in these 'troubled times'.

Of course I'm just naming a bunch of factors and I'm excluding stuff like being lucky with the financial climate you're being raised in. Don't take it as "LOL ur broke? u shuldof saved sum cash" because I admit; on this level, I'm a spoiled brat.

[MSandt]

I don't really see what's wrong with living with your parents a while longer though.

Because individuals want privacy from their families. Our civilization is built on this. People in uncivilized societies stay with their families, clans or tribes till the day they die.

As long as you're having an active social life and a decent job with growth possibilities or an education then it's alright with me.

You've got it all backwards. If you got all that you should be out of the house. But if you're a bum and a loser with no prospects in life then you're expected to live with your parents or some other idiots who're willing to support you.

It's also either that or pay 300 euros a month (if you're lucky) for a shitty room in a filthy house you share with other people who don't bother to clean shit up = work your ass off / let your education suffer / lose shitloads of cash for extra year of education or complete failure

You can always rent a place from the market. I pay 420€ for rent each month for an apartment that's at least 1/3 too big but I like the place and the privacy it provides even though I don't save much money this way (I get 450€ from the government per month).

The point is that when you're eligible for government handouts*, you should get out of the house. Even better if you manage to make some money before moving out so that you never have to ask your parents for money.

*Obviously this doesn't include unemployment benefits. You shouldn't move out of your parent's house just so that you can freeride on other people's money (at least your parents support you voluntarily).

[Trooper Dan]

I don't really see what's wrong with living with your parents a while longer though.

Because individuals want privacy from their families. Our civilization is built on this. People in uncivilized societies stay with their families, clans or tribes till the day they die.

I think he does want privacy, but he doesn't want it so badly and so soon that he's willing to sacrifice his greater economic interests for it.  As for people in other societies, maybe they would like more privacy too, but they can't afford to buy their own houses so they stick together.  But perhaps most of them also like being with their families more than you do.  Is that bad?  The attitude you project is of someone who thinks that wanting to live with one's family is a moral failing.

But if you're a bum and a loser with no prospects in life then you're expected to live with your parents or some other idiots who're willing to support you.

I get 450€ from the government per month.

Is that 450€ from a job, or is it a handout?  If it's a handout, then aren't you being a hypocrite by depending on idiots who are willing to support you?  I'll bet a lot of those people from uncivilized countries would love to get  450€ a month to move away from their parents (in fact I know one of them who works but doesn't have enough money to move away).

[Sang]

Personally I have the exact same plan as Rob. Finish college, look for a job, save up some money and look for a place. Probably gonna start with living in a flat.

Eventually I'll move into a house (might even skip the "flat" part but I'm not too sure about that one yet!).. but one thing's for sure: I'm never gonna build a house of my own. There are plenty of good, vacant houses that are being sold. Building more houses while others remain abandoned feels like a bit of a waste.. The whole economic system allows for this to happen, but I think it is quite stupid - but then again, you can't force people to not build a house but find one that already exists and fits what they would want. Guess I can only hope people are gonna be as brilliant as I am.

[Geoffrey]

You'll skip right to a house because that is how the world works! Here's what's going to happen: you'll want to move out during college, pay 300 bucks a month for a small 15m2 room and stay there until 4 years after graduating, when you can finally afford a slightly bigger room.

[Sang]

No, that's not how it's going to happen because even if I'd want to move out I would still be able to logically deduct that that would be a really bad idea. It would make no sense then to get myself stuck in a situation that would be even worse than staying at home. Hence, I will choose the better option which is staying at home and I will go by that option until the alternatives are looking better.

[HighWire]

A fun discussion on AMC! Why I'd never...

Really, It's a personal preference and it depends on the situation. I can imagine myself moving out much sooner if I had to live in a small house, but I don't. I live in a reasonably spacious farmhouse and have all the breathing space I could require.

I practically have the entire attic at my disposal. Ever since my brother left the house my parents told me I could use his room for any purpose I'd like, maybe having a personal studio. But the space in my own room is even sufficient for that. I enjoy much more space and luxury than €400 a month could ever buy me in town.

[Geoffrey]

It wasn't about luxery for me - I had everything I could wish for (and more) back home but I just couldn't stay there any longer since I was constantly surrounded by the years I had already lived there which I felt was holding me back in too many ways.

So yeah now I have a small room, an extra job to help pay it and cheap second-hand decorating. Love it though

[MSandt]

I think he does want privacy, but he doesn't want it so badly and so soon that he's willing to sacrifice his greater economic interests for it.

Well he asked what's wrong with living your parents and I gave my reason for that. In fact, I gave a general reason for why people move out of their homes as soon as possible. I don't discount the fact that some individuals are actually willing to tolerate their parents longer than necessary.

As for people in other societies, maybe they would like more privacy too, but they can't afford to buy their own houses so they stick together. But perhaps most of them also like being with their families more than you do.

This is of course an empirical matter and evidence supports the former, not the latter. As societies become wealthier, they tend to become more individualistic (and vice versa). It is obvious in the West but also apparent in countries with different traditions (such as Japan and South Korea) that only recently have adopted traits of Western individualism.

Is that 450€ from a job, or is it a handout?  If it's a handout, then aren't you being a hypocrite by depending on idiots who are willing to support you?

If you read my earlier post carefully, you may find that by "idiots" I referred to those who support bums and losers who have no intention of ever doing anything. I get 450€ a month for studying. The reason why the government hands out money for our education is that it believes that one day we will pay that money back. (Not that I consider it my duty to pay it back one day: I simply don't have a choice.)

[Telee]

Heh, who would've known a simple thread mentioning a board glitch would turn into a heated debate on basement dwellers.

[Sang]

Regular visitors would! Lurk more!

[DavoX]

I would understand someone wanting to get out of their house because they can't tolerate their parents, but what happens when your parents support you all the time and it's actually nice to be around them?